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on elitism [May. 7th, 2008|01:50 pm]
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"So does despising 'American Idol' make me an elitist?"
"Yes. There's no reason why a two-or-three-hit-wonder-turned-drug-addict, someone who worked with such distinguished acts as NSYNC and Mariah Carey, and a man who brought the World Wrestling Federation and the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers to the world of popular music can't be the ultimate arbitrers of potential and talent in music. The next thing you'll be telling me is that electing an alcoholic failed businessman as President twice was a disaster."
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[User Picture]From: [info]sirlarkins
2008-05-07 05:51 pm (UTC)

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See, this is what I don't get about the whole Obama "controversy". Like, don't we want someone who is intelligent, well-educated, etc., to be President? Because clearly having an undereducated, almost willfully ignorant "guy next door" for President has worked out so well...
[User Picture]From: [info]lankyguy
2008-05-07 06:06 pm (UTC)

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I agree. I don't want a President I can share a beer with; I want a President who will lead our country forward.
[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-07 06:40 pm (UTC)

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What's particularly frustrating is how transparent Bush's "everyman" act really is. He went to Yale! He's from American "high aristocracy"! His "ranch" is really a goddamn mansion!

[User Picture]From: [info]jdquintette
2008-05-07 07:21 pm (UTC)

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He went to Yale! He's from American "high aristocracy"!

Yale has it's share of chuckleheads (legacy admissions like W., mostly, and the children of deep-pocket donors) and if you think 'Aristocracy' precludes the presence of idiots, wait'll you get to England and get a load of the inbred mouthbreathers cluttering up the saloon bar at Claridges over there.


But you're right of course. The 'everyman' class in America has nothing in common with Bush. They're much more capable, since they actually have to earn their own living and wipe their own ass.
[User Picture]From: [info]nitasee
2008-05-08 12:08 am (UTC)

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Yale has it's share of chuckleheads

Truly. I've heard it said many times, many ways that Dubya earned what they call a "gentleman's C"....meaning he didn't even do that well, but they gave him a pass because of his family's status.

I wish I could find it again to link it to you, but there's a wonderfully revealing interview with one of the Shrub's Yale professors. In essence, the prof expresses that a crap-ass student he was and W pretty flagrantly admited he didn't have to do shit to get his degree. I think the article appeared in Salon.com
[User Picture]From: [info]professormortis
2008-05-07 09:58 pm (UTC)

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Bingo. I hate the fact that our "Everyman" Prez is so transparently not an everyman. Hell, Clinton came closer, at least in terms of where he started and his obvious passions (fast food, sex with women who wouldn't get a second look in the media), although for all I know that's an act too.
[User Picture]From: [info]nitasee
2008-05-08 12:10 am (UTC)

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And please! He's not a Texan, dammit. He's what we call a Texan via Kennebunkport. He wouldn't know a steer if it poked him in the ass - which in a way is an amusing mental image.
[User Picture]From: [info]mossymonkey
2008-05-07 08:18 pm (UTC)

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And since when was "bitter" a bad word? Isn't it much more insulting to say that "Oh no, no, you silly poor people; you're not bitter! You're upbeat about having all your jobs exported and the tax burden shifted onto you and away from people making ten times what you make!"

Damn straight we're bitter, and we've got reason to be!
[User Picture]From: [info]nitasee
2008-05-08 12:03 am (UTC)

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Denying that they are bitter is somewhere on the same spectrum of trying to make African-Americans sound like happy, watermelon eatin' darkies. And we all know what a charmingly offensive image that is.
[User Picture]From: [info]mossymonkey
2008-05-08 08:27 pm (UTC)

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Exactly! Imagine having to deal with the electorate as made up of real human beings with real struggles instead of monolithic demographic blocks. Imagine a politician who could. But then, that might be part of Obama's appeal; he may be vague, but he doesn't insult our capacities to think and feel at every turn of phrase.
[User Picture]From: [info]st_ranger
2008-05-07 10:10 pm (UTC)

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You're not an elitist because you despise American Idol... you're an elitist for completely different reasons!

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[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-08 04:00 pm (UTC)

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Hey, I hate Foucault and Derrida too. That has to count for something.
[User Picture]From: [info]dmlaenker
2008-05-08 06:36 pm (UTC)

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It still means you're elitist, it just means you're more aesthetically conservative than you might think.
[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-08 08:50 pm (UTC)

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I disagree. Given how limiting Foucault's theories are when applied to queer culture, I think rejecting him is a fairly liberal thing to do.
[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-08 08:53 pm (UTC)

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...on second thought, applying concepts of "liberal" and "conservative" to intellectual topics is rather unsatisfactory. After all, what's really "conservative" about arguing that there is a homosexual identity that predates the pre-modern period or that literary analysis should take into account cultural contexts?
[User Picture]From: [info]dmlaenker
2008-05-08 03:49 am (UTC)

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What really insults me about "American Idol" is that Simon Cowell systematically takes unique and talented voices and destroys them. He intends to do this, and methodically converts their style into the sort of melismatic warbling that has no particular value but might sell a couple of interchangeable singles before they're of no more use to him.
[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-08 04:02 pm (UTC)

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Exactly!

I think the most succinct and accurate criticism of "American Idol" I've ever heard has been, "If a young Bob Dylan had entered, he'd be kicked off, but not before being humiliated on national television."

At least, though, I can take comfort in knowing that the careers of all the "Idol" winners have been instant flops.
[User Picture]From: [info]dmlaenker
2008-05-08 06:34 pm (UTC)

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Which is exactly what they want and expect of an idoru.
[User Picture]From: [info]conanmagruder
2008-05-08 05:09 am (UTC)

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To his credit Randy Jackson IS a decent bassist... and to her credit Paula Abdul is a decent choreographer. I can't defend Simon Cowell or seem to make it through an episode.
[User Picture]From: [info]drownedinink
2008-05-08 04:03 pm (UTC)

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And, to be more fair to Paula Abdul, at least she's a hilarious druggie.
[User Picture]From: [info]dmlaenker
2008-05-08 06:35 pm (UTC)

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Paula Abdul makes it all worthwhile. Every time she opens her mouth I start speaking in tongues, yet incredulously:

"Abupubah-bah-bupubupu-bah...?"